Club Dance II too

Here we go – the new Audition patch is coming!

New items
This time, we have a huge selection of new items for you: 100 in number! Pants an skirts, tops and t-shirts, shoes, jackets, sunglasses, whatever your heart desires. Plus additional outfits with alaplaya design for both boys and girls consisting of Tops and Bottoms.

New game modes
As we mentioned before, there will be a new Fam Mode in Audition,too. It’s called the Fam Battle and lets you ally with your whole family and compete with other families. Also in this patch: The Club Dance 2. You can start it from the create room window from now on. Plus there’s a renewal of the love party mode, featuring an extra couple level.

New pets
And there are new animals to admire: Birdy, the funny green bird and Tinkerbell, a super cute little Chihuahua with a curios glance.

New songs
Last but not least, we got three all new songs by SiSe and Subsky plus three beatpick songs. Which ones they are? Well, have a look at the game – the new patch will be online these days, so up to Audition!

By the way: We have a special or two for you, of course. But that’s all we tell for the moment :-) Have fun!

http://audition.en.alaplaya.net/pages/3841

Beatpick is this site i think:

http://www.beatpick.com/

That's also where they got "Papo Ross - mi camioncito" and the other songs from the last patch...

http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 46#p772206

"xKEIx":

Patch will be on Monday (after 2 days) in the morning.
Let's hope that everything will be okay.

SiSe - Revenge ::.150BPM
Subsky - Alone Tonight ::.136BPM
Subsky - It's on way ::. 142BPM
Groove Generator - Release Me ::. 140BPM
Winksound - I can't stop ::. 124BPM

I actually liked this patch *____*
Rather nice songs I think. [ say my name is back ] They still fail beat up files.. but hey, it's Alplaya 8D

Seems I've ignored Alaplaya a little too long... I can not believe they used Dance eJay 6's introduction example song as an actual song in Audition. That's the biggest slap in my face since Nexon used a car alarm as a song or when IP E-Games used a metronome for non-buyers. This pisses me off when it comes to being ****ing cheap for a VAS-supported game... Empire Interactive went bankrupt so I'm assuming this was the chance to grab some free music since nobody has a clue who currently holds the license (Empire gave it away, but to an unnamed company who may cut support for previous eJay products). God damn it... Dance eJay 6? You think I wouldn't figure out what you did when you used "Groove Generator" as an artist name? That's their featured system for eJay! The ****ing song never had a name! IT WAS AN INTRODUCTION EXAMPLE TO USE THE DAMN SOFTWARE!

(By the way, there is a legit artist that goes by "Groove Generator". I only know of one song, which is "Sunshine".)

"K-16":

Seems I've ignored Alaplaya a little too long... I can not believe they used Dance eJay 6's introduction example song as an actual song in Audition. That's the biggest slap in my face since Nexon used a car alarm as a song or when IP E-Games used a metronome for non-buyers. This pisses me off when it comes to being ****ing cheap for a VAS-supported game... Empire Interactive went bankrupt so I'm assuming this was the chance to grab some free music since nobody has a clue who currently holds the license (Empire gave it away, but to an unnamed company who may cut support for previous eJay products). God damn it... Dance eJay 6? You think I wouldn't figure out what you did when you used "Groove Generator" as an artist name? That's their featured system for eJay! The ****ing song never had a name! IT WAS AN INTRODUCTION EXAMPLE TO USE THE DAMN SOFTWARE!

(By the way, there is a legit artist that goes by "Groove Generator". I only know of one song, which is "Sunshine".)

Well surprise, surprise.
All AuditionEU Songs are like that, they all are cheap-ass royalty free myspace\beatpick or any other internet website songs.

Fact 1:
We will NEVER get european Mainstream\Chart music.

Fact 2:
alaplaya is too greedy, all they wanna spend for a Song is not more than ~600 € each.

Fact 3:
Read this thread:
http://www.alaplaya.net/forum/viewtopic ... 46&t=92791

And ignore Netrunners replies, just usual excuse stuff:
"oh we have to pay much money for actual chart songs blablabla, that's why we get cheap-ass internet songs that noone knows of and wich suck a lot"
"oh and i didn't say we won't ever get chart music, no, that's what you said, even though it's the truth, I won't say it...."
"Communication with T3 is difficult, we can't speak any english nor korean and Google translator only translates sh!t anyway "


The ONLY ever "known or popular" songs, and "known and popular" are in quotation mark for good, were\are:

Amerie - 1 Thing (Been in european charts in the year 2003 or so...)
RapSoul - Laura (Only in german charts(2003), not even in the top 50)

Selina Herrero - Don't be shy (cheap-ass by alapalya casted beach that didn't make it under the top 80 + her career ended after the fail of her second single)
Selina Herrero - You can't stop me


Awesome, sooo many popular songs, in just 2 Years :3


Also:
SiSe is some kind of alaplaya employment, so they even produce shitty songs themselves and act like it's the most popular ones in Audition, whooo~~
And they can't stand critique at all, nuuu D: !!!111


Uh and I'm also a great forecaster, the next Patch will not include any popular or known songs or anything that'll make AuditionEU better.

Some future Patches might include MJP songs again, those are great AMERICAN internet songs and they give you the real european feeling =D
Who needs european music anyway? Not AuditionEUROPE =D

PS:
Oh and most likely no August Patch D:
It's friday already and alaplaya only works MO-FR's from about 8 am till ~16 pm

Just wanted to say that I am referring to Burma: ic everytime I bring up alaplaya. I don't quite understand their company naming methods and hierarchies.

"HishoBunny":

... they all are cheap-ass royalty free myspace\beatpick or any other internet website songs.

Well technically Asiasoft Singapore/Malaysia Division more or less did the same thing, and I grudgingly forgave them for being insultingly cheap, but in alaplaya's case, I was particularily furious to see an example arrangement to demonstrate a music creation software being used as a playable song, with the credits fabricated as a disguise to look like it came from the music industry. This is even more insulting than changing the credits of purchased royalty-free songs. I mean the actual title of the song is "Start" as it's the arrangement that is automatically loaded upon Dance eJay 6's startup. So of course there are no freaking credits to this song, since it isn't really a song!

Am I against music creation software's outputs being used as Audition songs? No. AuditionSEA and Audition America both used them and I applaud those creative and business decisions. For AuditionSEA, we have Oddbrother (I'm ignoring DJSteve since the prick stole songs from the Newgrounds Audio Portal). For Audition America, we have the winners of the Musicshake contests (minus one unlucky sap whose work will never be featured). To team up with a music creation software company to produce cheap-ass songs that are specifically designed for Audition, while recognizing the creative talent of the customers themselves through contests, etc. is a win-win situation. What alaplaya did is just plain desperate and if Empire Interactive were still in business, I'm sure they would vomit in disgust... And later laugh that alaplaya didn't use the latest eJay software.

"HishoBunny":

... We will NEVER get european Mainstream\Chart music.

It's a shame to hear that only a handful of mainstream artists were featured in a game designed as a marketing tool for the music industry (I assume alaplaya is already aware of this despite what their actions imply). If ClubSuperStar won the bid from G10 Entertainment, Digi would've ensured major artists like Scooter would be in Audition's premiere release. Even popular (though not mainstream) artists like DM Ashura would've had their work featured in the game. For those who don't know DM Ashura, his work is featured in MANY rhythm video games, including arcades. Is Eurobeat expensive over there? I'm under the naive impression that licenses might be cheaper than Eurodance since Eurobeat's market is oddly centered in Japan (imagined it would be cheaper to use songs that were meant to be sold elsewhere).

I do understand that trance is murderously expensive and should, in fact, take forever to license. Since we're talking about Europe where the market for trance and rave are huge, I wasn't having high hopes to see Audition containing much of it. I imagine Nexon would have a much easier time obtaining songs from Armin van Burren and Paul Van Dyk compared to alaplaya, which explains why Audition America featured them for a short period of time.

"HishoBunny":

... alaplaya is too greedy, all they wanna spend for a Song is not more than ~600 € each.

I'd have to see proof of that before I'm willing to call them broke, but if that's true then they really are greedy, though for the right reasons since it means this VAS supported IP isn't working for them at all business-wise. In other words, I don't believe alaplaya is rich and is trying to hog as much money as possible; instead it looks like they can't even afford a God damned coffee maker for their bare office based on what you're saying.

"HishoBunny":

... Read this thread... And ignore Netrunners replies, just usual excuse stuff...

Well they DO have to pay a lot of money for high-profile songs. That's the harsh reality of rhythm games (please note Konami cheated by producing songs in-house through created bands such as NAOKI). It just means that ClubSuperStar was more prepared for this than Burma: ic was back when they were fighting for the license bid. I'm a little disappointed to hear that GEMA is used as a reason for the slow licensing of songs. Are they really any different than RIAS, RIAA, or SOCAN? Has Redbana's Korean daddy honestly taken care of shutting both the RIAA and SOCAN up? I have difficulty believing so.

I'm quite sure they never said they won't get chart music. They just can't afford it from what you're saying so far. As for communicating with T3 Entertainment... Asiasoft went through the exact same problem. Asiasoft never really did solve the language problem (though they did hook up a developer or two with a free trip to Singapore to fix the damn game on-location, not that it was successful in any way)... However, I find it confusing that alaplaya answers to T3 Entertainment. Yes, it's true T3 Entertainment is multi-tasking development for all versions of Audition, and even localises most, if not all of them for some frighteningly stupid reason (thus the Italian fashion shop in AuditionSEA, which was hilarious since the fashion shop was the main feature of the patch)... BUT... And I say BUT... I thought G10 Entertainment was running the show here. Why do they keep saying T3 Entertainment, when they are supposed to contact G10 Entertainment for problems? Is it G10 Entertainment's fault for not pushing T3 to reply back then?... Something's not right here.

"HishoBunny":

Awesome, sooo many popular songs, in just 2 Years :3

Well, I'm willing to give credit that alaplaya did feature mainstream artists, as it's always better than nothing. I mean, at least they took the baby steps rather than not trying at all. As for Selina Herrero, I thought she was successful (her work for both the songs and music videos being designed for Audition was something I appreciated) although I am surprised to see that there are no singles produced in 2009; her website currently shows minor events (up-to-date to June I believe).

"HishoBunny":

... SiSe is some kind of alaplaya employment...

Konami did the same (NAOKI being a prominent example). Nobody seemed to flame Konami for it. Heck, didn't T3 Entertainment do a few in-house and produced them under the Audition name? And from what your link showed, I'd say he took the criticism well. He admitted the song suffered volume normalization issues (likely an equalizer **** up from a third-party as I imagine the frequencies weren't adjusted properly), and therefore, did not provide the proper dance experience. He also defended the originality by stating the vocals aren't similar in any way between two listed songs as an example. I'd say he listened carefully and took the criticism very well.

"HishoBunny":

... Some future Patches might include MJP songs again... Who needs european music anyway? Not AuditionEUROPE =D

Least you got an official reply. Better than a PR blackout. I imagine not announcing anything would piss people off even more compared to admitting disappointing news.

"HishoBunny":

... alaplaya only works MO-FR's from about 8 am till ~16 pm

I'm assuming you meant 12 PM judging by how close the 2 and 6 are on the numpad.

"K-16":

Just wanted to say that I am referring to Burma: ic everytime I bring up alaplaya. I don't quite understand their company naming methods and hierarchies.

[quote="HishoBunny"]... they all are cheap-ass royalty free myspace\beatpick or any other internet website songs.

Well technically Asiasoft Singapore/Malaysia Division more or less did the same thing, and I grudgingly forgave them for being insultingly cheap, but in alaplaya's case, I was particularily furious to see an example arrangement to demonstrate a music creation software being used as a playable song, with the credits fabricated as a disguise to look like it came from the music industry. This is even more insulting than changing the credits of purchased royalty-free songs. I mean the actual title of the song is "Start" as it's the arrangement that is automatically loaded upon Dance eJay 6's startup. So of course there are no freaking credits to this song, since it isn't really a song!

Am I against music creation software's outputs being used as Audition songs? No. AuditionSEA and Audition America both used them and I applaud those creative and business decisions. For AuditionSEA, we have Oddbrother (I'm ignoring DJSteve since the prick stole songs from the Newgrounds Audio Portal). For Audition America, we have the winners of the Musicshake contests (minus one unlucky sap whose work will never be featured). To team up with a music creation software company to produce cheap-ass songs that are specifically designed for Audition, while recognizing the creative talent of the customers themselves through contests, etc. is a win-win situation. What alaplaya did is just plain desperate and if Empire Interactive were still in business, I'm sure they would vomit in disgust... And later laugh that alaplaya didn't use the latest eJay software.

"HishoBunny":

... We will NEVER get european Mainstream\Chart music.

It's a shame to hear that only a handful of mainstream artists were featured in a game designed as a marketing tool for the music industry (I assume alaplaya is already aware of this despite what their actions imply). If ClubSuperStar won the bid from G10 Entertainment, Digi would've ensured major artists like Scooter would be in Audition's premiere release. Even popular (though not mainstream) artists like DM Ashura would've had their work featured in the game. For those who don't know DM Ashura, his work is featured in MANY rhythm video games, including arcades. Is Eurobeat expensive over there? I'm under the naive impression that licenses might be cheaper than Eurodance since Eurobeat's market is oddly centered in Japan (imagined it would be cheaper to use songs that were meant to be sold elsewhere).

I do understand that trance is murderously expensive and should, in fact, take forever to license. Since we're talking about Europe where the market for trance and rave are huge, I wasn't having high hopes to see Audition containing much of it. I imagine Nexon would have a much easier time obtaining songs from Armin van Burren and Paul Van Dyk compared to alaplaya, which explains why Audition America featured them for a short period of time.

"HishoBunny":

... alaplaya is too greedy, all they wanna spend for a Song is not more than ~600 € each.

I'd have to see proof of that before I'm willing to call them broke, but if that's true then they really are greedy, though for the right reasons since it means this VAS supported IP isn't working for them at all business-wise. In other words, I don't believe alaplaya is rich and is trying to hog as much money as possible; instead it looks like they can't even afford a God damned coffee maker for their bare office based on what you're saying.

"HishoBunny":

... Read this thread... And ignore Netrunners replies, just usual excuse stuff...

Well they DO have to pay a lot of money for high-profile songs. That's the harsh reality of rhythm games (please note Konami cheated by producing songs in-house through created bands such as NAOKI). It just means that ClubSuperStar was more prepared for this than Burma: ic was back when they were fighting for the license bid. I'm a little disappointed to hear that GEMA is used as a reason for the slow licensing of songs. Are they really any different than RIAS, RIAA, or SOCAN? Has Redbana's Korean daddy honestly taken care of shutting both the RIAA and SOCAN up? I have difficulty believing so.

I'm quite sure they never said they won't get chart music. They just can't afford it from what you're saying so far. As for communicating with T3 Entertainment... Asiasoft went through the exact same problem. Asiasoft never really did solve the language problem (though they did hook up a developer or two with a free trip to Singapore to fix the damn game on-location, not that it was successful in any way)... However, I find it confusing that alaplaya answers to T3 Entertainment. Yes, it's true T3 Entertainment is multi-tasking development for all versions of Audition, and even localises most, if not all of them for some frighteningly stupid reason (thus the Italian fashion shop in AuditionSEA, which was hilarious since the fashion shop was the main feature of the patch)... BUT... And I say BUT... I thought G10 Entertainment was running the show here. Why do they keep saying T3 Entertainment, when they are supposed to contact G10 Entertainment for problems? Is it G10 Entertainment's fault for not pushing T3 to reply back then?... Something's not right here.

"HishoBunny":

Awesome, sooo many popular songs, in just 2 Years :3

Well, I'm willing to give credit that alaplaya did feature mainstream artists, as it's always better than nothing. I mean, at least they took the baby steps rather than not trying at all. As for Selina Herrero, I thought she was successful (her work for both the songs and music videos being designed for Audition was something I appreciated) although I am surprised to see that there are no singles produced in 2009; her website currently shows minor events (up-to-date to June I believe).

"HishoBunny":

... SiSe is some kind of alaplaya employment...

Konami did the same (NAOKI being a prominent example). Nobody seemed to flame Konami for it. Heck, didn't T3 Entertainment do a few in-house and produced them under the Audition name? And from what your link showed, I'd say he took the criticism well. He admitted the song suffered volume normalization issues (likely an equalizer **** up from a third-party as I imagine the frequencies weren't adjusted properly), and therefore, did not provide the proper dance experience. He also defended the originality by stating the vocals aren't similar in any way between two listed songs as an example. I'd say he listened carefully and took the criticism very well.

"HishoBunny":

... Some future Patches might include MJP songs again... Who needs european music anyway? Not AuditionEUROPE =D

Least you got an official reply. Better than a PR blackout. I imagine not announcing anything would piss people off even more compared to admitting disappointing news.

"HishoBunny":

... alaplaya only works MO-FR's from about 8 am till ~16 pm

I'm assuming you meant 12 PM judging by how close the 2 and 6 are on the numpad.
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Uh sorry, I didn't think that you would answer like that to my post, I should have written it a bit more objective and without all that anger i put in there xD

Well I try answering some things and get them straight:

The thing about alaplaya beeing greedy and that they only pay max. about ~600€ per song was just an assumption.
As you can see on the Massive Tracks or BeatPick homepage, they all have their prices displayed, and going by that almost all songs in AuditionEU are from MySpace\MassiveTracks or BeatPick, i simply guess their price range is somewhat the same.

Chart Songs are way more expensive than that, and going by what Netrunner said, that those songs are too expensive, it is obvious that we won't get any of them anytime soon.
Also 2 years have passed and all we got were those 4 "popular" songs.
That's not a good sign that we will ever get more of them let alone getting popular songs in every patch.
Having like 2 popular songs every 6 months wouldn't be any good either.

And they are also don't even trying getting us any kind of european music.
About 99% of all Audition songs are sung in english and in most cases they come frome america. We have 1 or 2 in italian and spanish, and 1 song in german that was removed again, but that's it.
We NEVER had one that was sung in french, turkish, russian or any other language that is present in the EU.

Also posting in the forums and explaining them that what they do is not good has also no sense.
They always come up with the same answers, answers that indicate that there won't be changes, won't be anything that'll make AuditionEU better.

As for RedBana beeing daughter company of T3, and for that they get "special treatment".
G10 "was" also the official european outpost of T3.
G10 Entertainment seems dead by now, it started all back then when we hadn't had a Patch in AuditionEU for almost 6 months straight.
G10 stopped answering user emails and also their forum wasn't observed by the GM's anymore.
G10 Players had and still have problems with the AP-Up system, some haven't got their AP till today yet.

All in all Audition Europe seems to be abandoned by T3.

Oh and alaplaya working times were also only a guess and ment for the August Patch thingy.
In germany such interent companies as alaplaya only work MO-FR from about 08:00 till 16:00 or 18:00.
And as for what I've read in the alaplaya Forums there isn't a Testpatch yet on their testserver.
Also testing takes some time too.
And as for beeing at the end of this month and alaplaya not working over weekends, we obviously won't be having an August Patch.

"HishoBunny":

... they all have their prices displayed, and going by that almost all songs in AuditionEU are from MySpace\MassiveTracks or BeatPick, i simply guess their price range is somewhat the same.

Ah, I see where you're coming from now.

"HishoBunny":

... Also 2 years have passed and all we got were those 4 "popular" songs. Having like 2 popular songs every 6 months wouldn't be any good either... We have 1 or 2 in italian and spanish, and 1 song in german that was removed again, but that's it. We NEVER had one that was sung in french, turkish, russian or any other language that is present in the EU.

That's really sad... Audition is designed to be a marketing platform promoting local music industries through interactive entertainment (with the occasional international song if the demand is high enough), with its business model being funded through the VAS method and through sponsorships (since avatar animations and game world objects can be modified to promote such products/services). In other words, Audition is part-game, part-advertisement that we don't mind seeing (for once in our lives).

I think my thoughts towards alaplaya would go something like this:

Burda:ic GmbH (I mistakenly called them Burma before, so apologies there)... I know you bid for G10 Entertainment's license for this reason... You're a media company for God's sakes! What on Earth are you doing with this plan that really seems to go backwards? I wonder if Dr. Hubert Burda would approve of this kind of budgetting plan for a license that doesn't offer a strong return? Normally I would check the financial statements, but seeing how you're just a subsidiary, I don't see why I should spend time researching to prove a moot point (I'm positive the parental company is doing great).

"HishoBunny":

... G10 stopped answering user emails and also their forum wasn't observed by the GM's anymore.
G10 Players had and still have problems with the AP-Up system, some haven't got their AP till today yet.

Uh oh... That can't be good... It felt nice knowing Europe has G10 Entertainment, Korea has T3 Entertainment, and the United States of America has RedBana (why they broke the consistent naming scheme is something I never understood... San Francisco's office building can't fit a long sign?). Sounds like the expansion isn't working well.

"HishoBunny":

... In germany such interent companies as alaplaya only work MO-FR from about 08:00 till 16:00 or 18:00.

Ah so you were going by military time. I see now. The AM/PM threw me off.

"HishoBunny":

... And as for beeing at the end of this month and alaplaya not working over weekends, we obviously won't be having an August Patch.

Agreed. No further comments regarding that obvious fact.